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  Convention Season-"Saving Good Seats" & Other Embarrassing Behavior

  by Darth Fader The Sequel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since it is the convention season (and i am not attending this year or ever again), and i have been seeing other posts about some of the goings on at the various ic's and rc's, i am reminded of some of the truly embarrassing behavior i have "witnessed" (pun intended) over my lifetime of being a jdub at the various conventions and assemblies.

  probably the most disillusioning experience at a convention that i have ever had was one year when i volunteered to be an attendant.

  all of the volunteers were asked to attend a special meeting a few months beforehand to get instructions for our duties as attendants.

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  Since it is the convention season (and I am not attending this year or ever again), and I have been seeing other posts about some of the goings on at the various IC's and RC's, I am reminded of some of the truly embarrassing behavior I have "witnessed" (pun intended) over my lifetime of being a JDub at the various conventions and assemblies.

  Probably the most disillusioning experience at a convention that I have ever had was one year when I volunteered to be an attendant. All of the volunteers were asked to attend a special meeting a few months beforehand to get instructions for our duties as attendants. I assumed there would be many instructions given and some sort of training on what was expected of us. It was nothing of the sort. In fact, the guy who was in charge of attendants and conducted the meeting spent about 90% of the time he had lecturing *the attendants* on seat saving policy and what we were and were not allowed to do concerning saving seats. I found this very, very odd. There was no instructions on dealing with unruly people, security issues should they arise, medical issues should they arise, cleaning issues.... etc. NOTHING!!!!!!! Just lecturing us on when we could select our own seats for ourselves and our families. The instruction was that the doors were to open to the public at 8am sharp. We were required to be in our sections at 7:30am. But, we were not allowed to choose any seats for our wives or family staying with us UNTIL someone from the public had already laid down something in our section to save a seat for themselves. This policy sounds utterly ridiculous, but it is true.

  So, we are all standing in our sections at 8am and we hear the doors to the public open. And then the sound of a thundering herd erupts!! I saw dozens of people in full sprints with their arms loaded with books or blankets. Some of the "sisters" had running shoes on (and later changed into their high heels after the stampede was over). I saw people THROWING their bibles and song books from the aisle way below to the preferred seats at the bulkheads of the inclined seat sections. I saw people throwing blankets and jackets onto seats from below to beat other "brothers and sisters" who were just about to reach the same desired seats from a different direction. I saw yelling and screaming. I saw morbidly obese parents yelling instructions to their quick-footed kids as to which seats to save as they waddled slowly behind. I did not see any fist fights (but I have heard first hand accounts of such) and I did not see anyone roping off sections (but I have heard first hand accounts from relatives of mine).

  This animalistic behavior was so repulsive to me. I had never seen it before, and thankfully, I never plan on seeing it again. Despicable!!!
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  The Spanking Room: A Child's Eye View of the Jehovah Witnesses

  by Dogpatch in

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  anyone read this book?.

  the author is sending me a copy, just wondered.

  just published in july!.

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  BU2B- Your question/comment bothers me. There is absolutely no correlation between the beatings that are obviously described in the book referenced in this thread or the anecdotal stories from the other comments in the thread and "behavior and disrespectful of children". Are you actually suggesting that the beatings described are justified? I will allow you to clarify your position before I say anything else.
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  Did You Ever Get Screwed By A Jehovah's Witness?

  by minimus in

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  witnesses are supposed to be the "most honest people in the world".

  most jws i know of do not put business deals in writing.

  they simply "trust their brother".

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  I could write a book of the stories about "very respectable" and "faithful brothers/sisters" that I have done business with and gotten royally screwed over it. These were pioneers, elders, convention talk givers........ it is endless. In the end, I blame myself. How could I be so stupid as to go back for more like I did and trust any of these people?

  3rdgen, your story of what happened to your mother is VERY disturbing.
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  circuit overseer worship

  by Magnum in

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  for over thirty years i observed among jws the phenomenon of co worship/idolatry.

  i, myself, was somewhat guilty of it even though i rather quickly caught on and detected something wrong.. think about the week of the co visit.

  during that week most attention is given to and most thought is about the co. the supposed sovereign of the universe takes a backseat.

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  Excellent observations, Magnum. All true. There have been a handful of CO's in my lifetime that I thought were pretty cool dudes (at the time anyway). Most of the CO's were just average and forgettable. A few were world class assholes. But what was always consistent was the blatant CO ass-kissing by the members of the congregation. That never failed.

  Another aspect of the CO's visit that always infuriated me was the need for the entire week's schedule to be turned upside down and backwards just to accommodate the CO's precious little schedule. WHY?? If you happen to be in a KH that has more than one congregation then BOTH congregations must all change their schedules and lives around to make sure that the CO schedule (directed to him from the almighty GB) could be kept like a Swiss timepiece. So, that means that upwards of 200 to 300 people (counting both congregations) must totally change their work, school, field service, weekly meeting days and times, bible studies, game nights, other hobbies, etc just so that a CO and his wife can maintain the exact same schedule each week of the year. Again, I ask WHY???? I would think the CO and his wife might actually like to adjust their week to whatever is going on in that particular congregation's schedule if for nothing else, a little variety in their lives. But no. It is "direction" from on high that everyone else must totally throw their lives into chaos two weeks a year because.......... well.... just because.
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  District Convention

  by thedog1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  don't know if this has been covered before, but who noticed that at every talk at the district convention (mine anyway), every speaker was introduced by name and then 'brother x has been serving for 25 years as a pioneer" or "he has served on the branch committee" etc etc.. what is it with these credentials?

  i've been an elder on and off for most of the last twenty years.

  big deal.

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  Is "GB Helper" anything like Hamburger Helper?
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  WHEN WAS THE VERY LAST ARTICLE ON BLOOD IN EITHER THE WATCHTOWER OR THE AWAKE?

  by steve2 in

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  2. medical

  there's been a buzz on this forum - on and off but currently on - that there has not been an article in any watchtower publication on the blood ban for a while - which feeds speculation that the organization is distancing itself from this doctrinal absurdity.

  does that mean there's been nothing mentioned about the blood doctrine for months or years?

  specifically, when did the watchtower last mention the blood ban?

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  If the WTBT$ is going to ease or reverse themselves on the blood issue, it will be because they can see lawsuits coming from their doctrine that they force upon JW's with the threat of disfellowshipping. That is my hunch. If they change anything it is always due to CYA from lawsuits.
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  District Convention

  by thedog1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  don't know if this has been covered before, but who noticed that at every talk at the district convention (mine anyway), every speaker was introduced by name and then 'brother x has been serving for 25 years as a pioneer" or "he has served on the branch committee" etc etc.. what is it with these credentials?

  i've been an elder on and off for most of the last twenty years.

  big deal.

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  Oubliette- you just made me laugh until I had a tear running down my cheek. Thank you.
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  Bizarro world conclusion to the 2014 International Convention Public Bible Discourse

  by rory-ks in

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  2. friends

  it was entitled earth's new ruler - who really qualifies?

  given by brother mark neumeyer*, "who has been a full-time servant for nearly 35 years, and is a helper of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

  " it was his second talk of the convention.

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  What I would give to know the *actual* number of people who received an invitation to the convention and showed up. This guy is probably talking to less than 10 people, including satellite conventions. (no fair to count the homeless people who waddled into the convention, they do not count!!)

  But no one could ever know this. The typical mind-numb JW in that audience is probably thinking that a significant group in the audience is hearing these "welcoming words" for the first time and how joyful they must be that all that busy work time was wasted errr... spent littering the world with invitations.
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  Seventeen-and-a-half glorious minutes with the irrepressible Mr Lett

  by rory-ks in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can't...tear...my...eyes...away.... .

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx8db7m5mzq.

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  I have said before in another thread, I have never paid any attention to the GB and getting to know their names or faces or biographies. I never cared since I was a kid. Even way before I knew TTATT, these old dudes meant no more to me than any other human being.

  Lett- I saw him for the first time last year at the super-duper, extra-special, geek-party of the year (aka- "The Annual Meeting"). I instantly knew this guy was a clown. If he was running a feed store or had a booth at a farmers market selling apples and onions I would have no issue with him. Just an old quirky dude. But for this guy to be considered by most JDUBS to be "anointed" and a mouthpiece of God is hilarious. He is pure clown. In the video, who does he think his audience is? 1st graders? Fetuses still in the womb? The mentally retarded? (no offense to the MR's) How can anyone think this is the manner a person who claims such elite status should speak to "Bible students"? Beyond insulting.

  Also, the pillars/columns in the back round of the video are oh-so-subtle (sarcasm). Everyone knows that if you stand next to a bunch of pillars that everything you say is correct and should be respected as the word of God. (BLECH!!!!)
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  Who Really Profits from the WTBTS?

  by Freedom77 in

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  2. friends

  like they say in the movies, "follow the money.

  " the thought occurred to me the other day - the wt scam rakes in billions of dollars, and yeah some of that goes to operations and equipment.

  but bethelites at farm and factory get only a bare little dorm room and a monthly pittance.

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  Money is the byproduct of POWER!! The WTBT$ has hundreds of millions and billions of dollars to do as they please with. How did they get that money? By developing their POWER over others. Was their goal to enrich themselves and their own bank accounts and live with the yachts and the jewelry and the dancing boys and girls? No. Their goal was the POWER!!!! Sure, the GB and the high ranking WT officials live comfortably and have a few personal perks and benefits (their Warwick project is their most audacious one yet). But that is not enough to run a global empire. The addiction, the greed..... is to the POWER!!!! Being treated like gods walking the earth. To be lauded and held up as God's very own specially selected mouthpieces. To have millions of people who obey every word you utter. THAT adoration and POWER is worth far more than any tangible luxuries a fat personal bank account could ever buy.